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		<title>By: Thanos</title>
		<link>http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress/2009/04/27/gay-marriage-swine-flu-and-dissension-in-the-ranks-of-evolution-supporters/comment-page-1/#comment-9441</link>
		<dc:creator>Thanos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 04:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everything alive is a missing link to the future form of the species it&#039;s in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:64px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress'><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/030f418d0633f044ae4b1cb55b09d836?s=64&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif%3Fs%3D64&amp;r=PG' class='avatar avatar-64 photo' height='64' width='64' /></a></span>Everything alive is a missing link to the future form of the species it&#8217;s in.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
		<link>http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress/2009/04/27/gay-marriage-swine-flu-and-dissension-in-the-ranks-of-evolution-supporters/comment-page-1/#comment-9440</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 22:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evolution proven? Where&#039;s the &quot;missing link?&quot;  Bring the rack down and
we&#039;ll road tested with the rack of ribs I have....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:64px' ><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/0d793af6380387e278ce26614cbc6c4a?s=64&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif%3Fs%3D64&amp;r=PG' class='avatar avatar-64 photo' height='64' width='64' /></span>Evolution proven? Where&#8217;s the &#8220;missing link?&#8221;  Bring the rack down and<br />
we&#8217;ll road tested with the rack of ribs I have&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Thanos</title>
		<link>http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress/2009/04/27/gay-marriage-swine-flu-and-dissension-in-the-ranks-of-evolution-supporters/comment-page-1/#comment-9438</link>
		<dc:creator>Thanos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 12:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evolution has been proven. How the universe started hasn&#039;t but that&#039;s cosmology, not evolution. How life started hasn&#039;t but that&#039;s biogenesis,  not evolution. 

The latest proof of evolution is the new swine flu, I hope you stay healthy and don&#039;t catch it. 

I picked up a new rib rack that I might try out btw. I holds the ribs up diagonally so  they can get more smoke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:64px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress'><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/030f418d0633f044ae4b1cb55b09d836?s=64&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif%3Fs%3D64&amp;r=PG' class='avatar avatar-64 photo' height='64' width='64' /></a></span>Evolution has been proven. How the universe started hasn&#8217;t but that&#8217;s cosmology, not evolution. How life started hasn&#8217;t but that&#8217;s biogenesis,  not evolution. </p>
<p>The latest proof of evolution is the new swine flu, I hope you stay healthy and don&#8217;t catch it. </p>
<p>I picked up a new rib rack that I might try out btw. I holds the ribs up diagonally so  they can get more smoke.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 16:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far, neither evolution nor creationalism has been proven. Scientists
and theologists will argue this to their graves. All religions have some
sort of life after death theory, such as heaven, hell, reincarnation etc..
But so far no one has ever come back to really appear before a 
Congressional comittee to tell their story. Perhaps there is a certain 
amount of truth in both, but there is a lot of guess work and of course
the &quot;fairy tales&quot; of some religions that people take for fact...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:64px' ><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/0d793af6380387e278ce26614cbc6c4a?s=64&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif%3Fs%3D64&amp;r=PG' class='avatar avatar-64 photo' height='64' width='64' /></span>So far, neither evolution nor creationalism has been proven. Scientists<br />
and theologists will argue this to their graves. All religions have some<br />
sort of life after death theory, such as heaven, hell, reincarnation etc..<br />
But so far no one has ever come back to really appear before a<br />
Congressional comittee to tell their story. Perhaps there is a certain<br />
amount of truth in both, but there is a lot of guess work and of course<br />
the &#8220;fairy tales&#8221; of some religions that people take for fact&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thanos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thanos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 05:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here it is, found it at Wiki:

Darwinism, Design and Public Education is a 2003 anthology, consisting largely of rewritten versions of essays from a 1998 issue of Michigan State University Press&#039;s journal, Rhetoric and Public Affairs, edited by intelligent design activists John Angus Campbell (who serves on the journal&#039;s editorial board) and Stephen C. Meyer, neither of whom are scientists.[1] The book is promoted as being a &quot;peer-reviewed science book&quot;,[2] however in reviewing it Barbara Forrest notes that:[1]
“ 	Nineteen of the twenty-seven essays are by ID creationists and their supporters, not one of whom is a working evolutionary biologist. Among the eight pro-evolution essays, only four are by scientists. Of those, only two are by evolutionary biologists. There is a preponderance of humanities scholars; some, like rhetorician John Angus Campbell, are ID proponents while others are pro-evolution. 	”

The book purports to address the question of &quot;[s]hould public school science teachers be free to teach the controversies over biological origins&quot; and promotes the Discovery Institute&#039;s &quot;teach the controversy&quot; political action plan, whilst claiming &quot;not to advocate the theory of ID.&quot;[3] This denial is later undercut by claiming that an understanding of ID is needed &quot;to understand Darwin&#039;s argument, to say nothing of the contemporary controversy that it continues to generate&quot;.[1]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:64px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress'><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/030f418d0633f044ae4b1cb55b09d836?s=64&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif%3Fs%3D64&amp;r=PG' class='avatar avatar-64 photo' height='64' width='64' /></a></span>Here it is, found it at Wiki:</p>
<p>Darwinism, Design and Public Education is a 2003 anthology, consisting largely of rewritten versions of essays from a 1998 issue of Michigan State University Press&#8217;s journal, Rhetoric and Public Affairs, edited by intelligent design activists John Angus Campbell (who serves on the journal&#8217;s editorial board) and Stephen C. Meyer, neither of whom are scientists.[1] The book is promoted as being a &#8220;peer-reviewed science book&#8221;,[2] however in reviewing it Barbara Forrest notes that:[1]<br />
“ 	Nineteen of the twenty-seven essays are by ID creationists and their supporters, not one of whom is a working evolutionary biologist. Among the eight pro-evolution essays, only four are by scientists. Of those, only two are by evolutionary biologists. There is a preponderance of humanities scholars; some, like rhetorician John Angus Campbell, are ID proponents while others are pro-evolution. 	”</p>
<p>The book purports to address the question of &#8220;[s]hould public school science teachers be free to teach the controversies over biological origins&#8221; and promotes the Discovery Institute&#8217;s &#8220;teach the controversy&#8221; political action plan, whilst claiming &#8220;not to advocate the theory of ID.&#8221;[3] This denial is later undercut by claiming that an understanding of ID is needed &#8220;to understand Darwin&#8217;s argument, to say nothing of the contemporary controversy that it continues to generate&#8221;.[1]</p>
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		<title>By: Thanos</title>
		<link>http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress/2009/04/27/gay-marriage-swine-flu-and-dissension-in-the-ranks-of-evolution-supporters/comment-page-1/#comment-9420</link>
		<dc:creator>Thanos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 05:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh pish. Go away with the crapola, you are wasting your time because I&#039;m a backwater blog with zip for readership, and the people who do come here are intelligent enough not to fall for Discovery Institute agitprop. Provine&#039;s an atheist, I think he even debated Philip Johnson iirc. The quote comes from an old anthology book Discovery Institute tries to portray as peer reviewed, but it&#039;s not really. 19 out of 25 or so authors were associated with DI. Nice try.
Also note that Provine is a bio teacher who teaches &quot;Evolution for Non Biology students&quot; and he&#039;s been paid for debates by DI. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:64px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress'><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/030f418d0633f044ae4b1cb55b09d836?s=64&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif%3Fs%3D64&amp;r=PG' class='avatar avatar-64 photo' height='64' width='64' /></a></span>Oh pish. Go away with the crapola, you are wasting your time because I&#8217;m a backwater blog with zip for readership, and the people who do come here are intelligent enough not to fall for Discovery Institute agitprop. Provine&#8217;s an atheist, I think he even debated Philip Johnson iirc. The quote comes from an old anthology book Discovery Institute tries to portray as peer reviewed, but it&#8217;s not really. 19 out of 25 or so authors were associated with DI. Nice try.<br />
Also note that Provine is a bio teacher who teaches &#8220;Evolution for Non Biology students&#8221; and he&#8217;s been paid for debates by DI.</p>
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		<title>By: bryce</title>
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		<dc:creator>bryce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a common thing to hear from prominent evolutionist, but he indeed said it:
&quot;Creationists will have to speak louder. I continue to support those who would like to have their voices heard in biology classes. I encourage the effort to limit the teaching of evolutionary biology until such time as evolutionists encourage a more inclusive participation of students. The very idea of the American Civil Liberties Union conspiring with evolutionary biologists to limit the free speech of the majority of the high school students in this county is grotesque.    Darwinism, Design and Public Education  (2003)  p.511 -- William Provine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:64px' ><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/535326217d34981ff84819f014626c3d?s=64&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif%3Fs%3D64&amp;r=PG' class='avatar avatar-64 photo' height='64' width='64' /></span>Not a common thing to hear from prominent evolutionist, but he indeed said it:<br />
&#8220;Creationists will have to speak louder. I continue to support those who would like to have their voices heard in biology classes. I encourage the effort to limit the teaching of evolutionary biology until such time as evolutionists encourage a more inclusive participation of students. The very idea of the American Civil Liberties Union conspiring with evolutionary biologists to limit the free speech of the majority of the high school students in this county is grotesque.    Darwinism, Design and Public Education  (2003)  p.511 &#8212; William Provine</p>
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