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		<title>By: Thanos</title>
		<link>http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress/2008/11/15/future-dreams-i/comment-page-1/#comment-8441</link>
		<dc:creator>Thanos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you want to coerce people to your belief through law. Sorry you lost me there because that is anti-liberty, and just a stripe away from the one child laws of China. You don&#039;t seem to pro-family when it comes to children in Gay families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:64px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress'><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/030f418d0633f044ae4b1cb55b09d836?s=64&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif%3Fs%3D64&amp;r=PG' class='avatar avatar-64 photo' height='64' width='64' /></a></span>So you want to coerce people to your belief through law. Sorry you lost me there because that is anti-liberty, and just a stripe away from the one child laws of China. You don&#8217;t seem to pro-family when it comes to children in Gay families.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China? No, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s possible. There will always be some gay people heading households with children, by accident preferably, not design.

We could simply change the law to stop men and women voluntarily giving up their responsibilities towards children they have produced.

This would kill the sperm bank and donor egg industries overnight.

As a conservative you may well have found it strange that society insists men, rightly, take responsbility for their biological children and pursues them when they don&#039;t. But when it comes to donor sperm, we pay them money to walk away.

If this change was made, lesbians and gays would largely stop creating children through artificial means, because most of the time they very deliberately want to exclude one of the biological parents from the child&#039;s life (not a great sign of their fitness as parents I might add).

By the way, I&#039;m not implacably opposed to gays adopting or fostering children (as long as they are second in line behind heterosexual couples). Two parents of the same sex is vastly inferior, all else being equal, to a mother and father, but it&#039;s better than nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:64px' ><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/62a06fdd8c2e4174bd7b15c12b3fd969?s=64&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif%3Fs%3D64&amp;r=PG' class='avatar avatar-64 photo' height='64' width='64' /></span>China? No, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s possible. There will always be some gay people heading households with children, by accident preferably, not design.</p>
<p>We could simply change the law to stop men and women voluntarily giving up their responsibilities towards children they have produced.</p>
<p>This would kill the sperm bank and donor egg industries overnight.</p>
<p>As a conservative you may well have found it strange that society insists men, rightly, take responsbility for their biological children and pursues them when they don&#8217;t. But when it comes to donor sperm, we pay them money to walk away.</p>
<p>If this change was made, lesbians and gays would largely stop creating children through artificial means, because most of the time they very deliberately want to exclude one of the biological parents from the child&#8217;s life (not a great sign of their fitness as parents I might add).</p>
<p>By the way, I&#8217;m not implacably opposed to gays adopting or fostering children (as long as they are second in line behind heterosexual couples). Two parents of the same sex is vastly inferior, all else being equal, to a mother and father, but it&#8217;s better than nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Thanos</title>
		<link>http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress/2008/11/15/future-dreams-i/comment-page-1/#comment-8436</link>
		<dc:creator>Thanos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So like China would you prohibit Gays from having children? You seem to be headed that way. 

Do children of gays benefit from two parents no matter how they came to be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:64px' ><a rel='external nofollow' href='http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress'><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/030f418d0633f044ae4b1cb55b09d836?s=64&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif%3Fs%3D64&amp;r=PG' class='avatar avatar-64 photo' height='64' width='64' /></a></span>So like China would you prohibit Gays from having children? You seem to be headed that way. </p>
<p>Do children of gays benefit from two parents no matter how they came to be?</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey</title>
		<link>http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress/2008/11/15/future-dreams-i/comment-page-1/#comment-8433</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;or will you move forward with the positive vision that a two parent married family is best for children, regardless of their parent’s sexual orientation?&quot;

I don&#039;t see how a thinking person can really believe this. When gays create children through artificial insemination or surrogacy, they do so with the explicit intention of denying those children a mother or father.

Anyone who understands anything about children knows how important a child&#039;s relationship with their biological parent is. It is one thing for children to lose contact with that parent through death or divorce. That&#039;s different.

When gays set out to have children this way (and apparently thousands are) they completely disregard the needs and rights of that child. How anyone can say that is an act of love or a basis for a healthy family is beyond me.

It&#039;s even worse when people (gay or straight) deliberately use an anonymous sperm donor, thus deliberately thwarting the hope most children will have of knowing who their biological parents are. That is perniciously anti-child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:64px' ><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/62a06fdd8c2e4174bd7b15c12b3fd969?s=64&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif%3Fs%3D64&amp;r=PG' class='avatar avatar-64 photo' height='64' width='64' /></span>&#8220;or will you move forward with the positive vision that a two parent married family is best for children, regardless of their parent’s sexual orientation?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see how a thinking person can really believe this. When gays create children through artificial insemination or surrogacy, they do so with the explicit intention of denying those children a mother or father.</p>
<p>Anyone who understands anything about children knows how important a child&#8217;s relationship with their biological parent is. It is one thing for children to lose contact with that parent through death or divorce. That&#8217;s different.</p>
<p>When gays set out to have children this way (and apparently thousands are) they completely disregard the needs and rights of that child. How anyone can say that is an act of love or a basis for a healthy family is beyond me.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s even worse when people (gay or straight) deliberately use an anonymous sperm donor, thus deliberately thwarting the hope most children will have of knowing who their biological parents are. That is perniciously anti-child.</p>
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		<title>By: Noblesse Oblige &#187; Anti-Prop 8 Demonstration</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noblesse Oblige &#187; Anti-Prop 8 Demonstration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a previous article here I outlined why the social conservative stance against gay marriage is highly counter [...]</description>
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		<title>By: warren blum</title>
		<link>http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress/2008/11/15/future-dreams-i/comment-page-1/#comment-8383</link>
		<dc:creator>warren blum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really liked your last sentence: Liberty, reason, capitalism, strength, and life.

There is an inherent contradiction of liberty versus making laws that restrict liberty such as anti abortion laws.  I&#039;m against abortion, and believe that life begins at conception.  But I&#039;m just pointing out an inherent contradiction between some aspects of social conservatism and individual liberty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class='eg-image' style='float:right; margin-left:10px; display:block; width:64px' ><img alt='' src='http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/345ae42076bf711be44ebfd880006d7a?s=64&amp;d=http%3A%2F%2Fuse.perl.org%2Fimages%2Fpix.gif%3Fs%3D64&amp;r=PG' class='avatar avatar-64 photo' height='64' width='64' /></span>I really liked your last sentence: Liberty, reason, capitalism, strength, and life.</p>
<p>There is an inherent contradiction of liberty versus making laws that restrict liberty such as anti abortion laws.  I&#8217;m against abortion, and believe that life begins at conception.  But I&#8217;m just pointing out an inherent contradiction between some aspects of social conservatism and individual liberty.</p>
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